EP100 Amrit Sandhu | The Power of Consistency, Meaningful Conversations, and Gratitude

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00:00 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
So good to see you, man.

00:05 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
So much joy.

00:08 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Touch wood dude. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having me. Congratulations, guys. 100 episodes what the actual, factual? I shouldn't swear straight out of the gate.

00:19 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
No, you're welcome.

00:20 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
You can swear.

00:22 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
You can swear.

00:24 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Oh, well done, Well done. Seriously, seriously, how does it feel?

00:28 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
so a quick, quick intro for the people listening we're together with uh amrit sandhu, and we uh recorded the first episode together with you and for funsies we said, oh, should we record episode number 100 together? And this is episode 100 we are recording together with you. So that is super fun, oh my goodness, totally.

00:54 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I feel so honored to be episode number one, I feel so honored to be episode number 100 and, yeah, I'm excited for for the fun, like it's always fun with you guys around. So, yeah, thank you so much for having me on today and I got, I got. I feel like it's almost like I'm going to have to restrain myself from not interviewing you guys because I want to hear what it's been like to have a hundred episodes.

01:15 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I actually didn't make a plan for this one. It was like anniversary style. Yeah, let's just enjoy celebrations.

01:27 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
What's been what's? Can I ask you, like 100 episodes, was it? And was it as easy as you thought it was? Or was it as hard as you thought it was? Yeah, how did? How did that go? How did you, how'd you go with 100?

01:36 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
I think, uh, one of the things I have been keep thinking back on, you said when we recorded episode one which we will link to from this one is you said the commitment that you were committed and you have had it as a commitment for very long. Uh, you're on episode. Something crazy, right. What are you on now?

01:59 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I have lost count, unfortunately. I should be more professional. I think it's somewhere 500, 600. That doesn't make sense. Actually it's more, because we've been going for eight years now. We for the first six and a half years did an episode a week and now it's two a week. So that numbers, yeah. So that sort of leans itself to 50 times six, 300, and then, yeah, probably around five, six hundred episodes.

02:26
Yeah, yeah, it seems like more in my mind, but, um, yeah maybe my math is not adding up, but a lot, a lot of episodes I can't do math, no, no, but so I can't help you.

02:36 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
No but I think uh being committed to it I think this idea of doing the 100 with you came up inside the first episode when you said the difference between just having a great idea and then having actually a success is just keep going, because people make 10, they make 12 and they make great podcasts, but then they kind of stop and we said, okay, then we won't stop and we'll talk to you again in episode 100.

03:02 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
So yeah, you know, since the last time we spoke, I I found this really interesting fact, which is you know, if you make more than I think it's three episodes, you're in the top 10% of podcasts, and if you make more than 21 episodes, you're in the top 3% of podcasts.

03:19 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
That is crazy.

03:21 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
And it just goes to show how many people start podcasts and just don't work their way through it.

03:27 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
It's loud yeah.

03:29 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
You know, like right now, like one of your claims, like you guys have incredible claims to fame, but one of your claims to fame now is like you've got a top 3% podcast because, you've made it past 21 episodes.

03:40
Like you look at your stats and you look at all the other podcasts that have started and that's not because you know the reach may not I'm curious to hear about the reach but, like you know, the reach may be or may not be in terms of what you want it to be. But at the same time, like the number of like you look at the iceberg and the swell of how many podcasts there are, just by factor, of how many people drop off. And yeah, I'll just echo from the people that were podcasting ahead of me, 10 years ahead of me. They said the same thing. They were just like I, my podcast may or may not be that amazing. In fact, they were like it's not that amazing. I don't want to say that about them. I think their podcasts are amazing, but they were just like we just stuck in it, we just didn't quit. We just didn't quit.

04:20
And I speak to business mentors now and like some of the more holistic ones, they're like you know, they're looking after their health as a priority more than their finances. And I'm like explain a little bit more, because I think so many of us are driven by this anxiety, stress driven world and they're just like yeah, look, if I just look after my health, I'll be able to stay in business for another decade and it's all compound interest. You know, investment is always even like the time spent in business right like touch wood, like my podcast this year has. You know, it's gone to a whole nother level, touch wood, and it's interesting watching the year-on-year growth because it's not, it's not linear it's not linear at all.

04:59
Touch wood. So, and I'm realizing, had I have given up at five years in or six years in because I I know a lot of people that started podcasts but had I given up five years, six years in, I wouldn't be touch wood. I was going to say enjoying. But yeah, enjoying, actually I should own it, touch wood, enjoying the growth that we're experiencing at this particular point in time, which is things are growing faster than they've ever grown.

05:28 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Touch wood, but I think that's always going to be true, at whichever point you are but it's now, you can see, like the growth curve and it's like whoa touchwood things are really happening. So, yeah, kudos to you guys you guys, thank you.

05:34 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Yeah, it's a good piece of of life advice in general, and we say that a lot, that to our children also. The one thing we never do is to give up. You can change your plan, you can change you can reorganize your priorities, but but sheer giving up, that's not a thing yeah, yeah, and I think also it's it's.

05:57 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I don't want to sound like it's a yeah it's. I think it's because I've got kids. Now it's hard, like for them as well, because there's so much perfection that's projected onto them that perfection can be so paralyzing. That it's like you know, when you start like I'm sure when you guys started with a podcast like this happened to me um, you know how did you guys navigate, like wanting to have like something that's polished or like a podcast that you thought was going to be like this or like that, and now now you just like you know you show up and you do your thing. How's that process been for you having to not show up? Perfect?

06:28 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
I think that in the start I did a lot more in the editing and in the end you just relax more. I relax more in my being. I'm here, I know I'm filled with fault, but if people want to listen they are so welcome and and um, you also get better at sharing your thoughts. And actually for me, quite because egotistically then what I get out of creating this podcast is me and my wife get some wonderful dialogues and talks because we get inspired by the people we talk with and sometimes we pick something up and it's a couple of weeks after we have talked with the person we're still pondering about a subject. They said and if you, cecilia, and are together like 24 hours a day because we full-time travel, we live together, I work from home then it's a really good external input of something.

07:36 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
A projection of inspiration.

07:38 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Yeah, and I also really like that you. I wish I would be better at doing it off, podcasting also. But I like the thing about sitting down to have a conversation where you're like I want to be here, I want to be present, I don't want to get something out of it and hopefully has a value, where someone else cares enough to listen, so I take the conversation more. Else cares enough to listen, so I take the conversation more. Um, I take, take, I value it more, because I'm like you kind of just sit and talk shit, uh, for 45 minutes, because why should anyone bother? So it's both it. It actually enhances my own value of the conversation that we are recording it me.

08:24 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
It's two things, if I can answer as well. So one is my thing when we started the podcast was I've got a lot going on and I'm home educating three teenagers and I I do all the household, I've got my blog, I've got all my things going on, all the things I want to do. So I told him, if we're doing a podcast, all I do is I show up for the recording. I'm not doing any tech, I'm not doing any emails, I'm not doing any planning and I can leave as soon as we say goodbye, because usually I need to cook a meal.

09:00
So in that respect, it's easy for me to not aim for perfection, because I only show up and shine and that's all I do, so there's no working with it after. But the other thing I learned pretty quickly within the first I don't know four or five episodes is I really do trust this process. I really do trust that these conversations people would not listen to them and we do have listeners now they would not listen to them if it wasn't. I mean they could just flick and find another podcast. It's easy. They would press pause and do something else. So they listen to them because it makes sense, because it inspires them, because it lifts up their day because of something they need that they are in charge of knowing what is that they need. And it doesn't have to be 600,000 people listening. If I can touch five people's hearts, I'm happy, and I know that we do that, and it's also more than five. So that's been. Perfection has not come in the way. Actually it's not been a problem at all.

10:10 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
The reason I bring that in is because I think for the younger generation, like you were alluding to, I think they get stifled a lot by you know, they look at so much content online and people producing such high quality content that for them to get started it can be such a smothering force. You know it's like ah, you know. So it's really beautiful that you guys haven't had to navigate, haven't need to navigate it, navigate that. I think it's really interesting as well, feeling into just your vibes as well and just kind of how like you're like, yeah, I can, I can trust this process. Um, it's cool that you've like inherently got that, and I think there's a lot of feminine wisdom in that.

10:43
For me personally, like I had a moment about six months into my podcast where someone from um, who South Southern India, reached out and was like thank you, like I didn't have you know the impact that I was hoping to have. At that point in time I was like what am I really doing? I was six months in and it's interesting watching kind of like the markers and this is going to sound really loaded, sharing it in a podcast, and this wasn't you know I'm just sharing, but one of the key things that happened was this guy reached out and he said hey, I just want to send you a note.

11:12
Like it was a long email and he was just like hey, the synopsis of it was hey, I just really want to thank you for your podcast it's you know I was considering checking out and you know this has just reminded me that there are some important things in life. You know that. You know relationships and you know there is beauty in life and you know there are things to stay connected to touch wood. And I remember this visceral sort of like oh done, like I'll continue working on this podcast, like this could have just been it, like you know it helped one person you know like to that level. It's like not even that you need help to that level, but you know what I mean. It was just for me at the moment it was just wow, like there's something here, you know, and I think I needed that little bit of like a nudge from the external at that particular moment in time. I needed that injection to trust the process a little bit deeper.

12:00
That was definitely a way marker for me, but it's beautiful but that was the process knowing what you needed yeah, yeah, well, also part of the process that you have that you'll also get the feedback you need when you need it as you need it right, and so it's so trippy being on this path, because and that's like the dynamic that you know, like being a podcast or all of a sudden opens you up to interesting conversations, because I love what you guys shared like again, this is going to sound egotistical, but pardon me that for that. I was at a, I was a networking thing recently and I was talking to lots of different people about lots of different things and afterwards we were sitting, went out to the cafe just with a couple of people. It's like you were talking to a lot of different people about a lot of different things.

12:40
I was, I was like, yeah, I was like you know, most people don't really do that. They're like got their lane and they stick to their lane. And I'm like, oh, I've forgotten all about lanes. I'm like a podcaster, we talk about everything and it's like and. And he said, you know, that actually makes you very interesting.

12:59
And I was like, oh, and this was a piece of wisdom that my friend, skip Kelly, who I've had on the podcast, sometimes reminded me. He is like, you know, people think they want to be like inspiring, but all you have to be to be inspiring is be inspired. And in that moment I was reminded. It's like, oh, I want to be interesting, I just have to be interested. And as a podcaster, you're just flexing your curiosities, your interests all the time by function of that end up being interesting. And again, that's the egotistical, but so I'm interesting. But I didn't realize, like we just take it for granted, you know. So we're having these interesting conversations, like you said, we connect with each other and it's like a fresh injection of inspiration in our net, in our own connection, let alone, you know, all the people we bump into. I just want to quickly double click on something you said before, just before I forget, forget. Have you guys seen the movie?

13:47 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
the secret life of walter mitty. Oh, I have not he.

13:48 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
He produces magazines and he does the photographing anyway, so I won't ruin it.

13:51 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
It's one. I know which one it is.

13:52 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I'm not sure I've seen it there's a particular point in a film where he's a photographer. There's the walter mitty's in a photographer. He produces the photographs. But there's a photographer who's like the world's best photographer for like, let's just say, time magazine, yeah, and he goes along, takes these photographs out in nature like incredible, like things you haven't seen before. There's a particular scene where Walter Meady has to go find this guy because he's the magazine's shutting down.

14:17 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We have seen that they're looking.

14:20 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
They're looking for the last photo of the magazine, right, and they're looking for the photo of the magazine, right. And so Walter Mitty's gone on his adventures and he catches up with the photographer at this final point, at one of these points, and they're in the mountains, somewhere like snow-covered mountains, and he's got the camera lens set up and he sees the snow leopard and he's like these haven't been sighted in something like a decade or 30 years or something right. And he's got the camera lined up and they're talking about life in general and Walter goes are you going to take the shot after the end of the conversation? And the photographer goes no. And then Walter goes what?

15:03
And then the photographer basically alludes to the fact I'm paraphrasing hella hard here, but you guys, he basically ends up saying like sometimes these are just for me, you know and I think back to what you're saying, jesper, about the conversations you know, like you learn to have these conversations on it and I can, I can, I want to ask you, but I can almost imagine, cause I get this all the time. It's like I'm having a conversation with someone's, like I want to ask you, but I can almost imagine because I get this all the time.

15:27
It's like I'm having a conversation with someone's like oh, I wish this was recorded. It's such a great podcast, you know. But then it's like I remind myself of that moment from multimedia which is like ah, these are the moments that are actually like super rich and meaningful in life, where you step in, like to conversation, listen deeper outside of life, and podcasting is actually enriching how I show up in the world. Yeah, I just wanted to reflect on your point, because I always get reminded of that exact scene whenever I hear what you shared to me.

15:53 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
But it's. I mean, there are two sides of this, because, on one hand, yes, there are moments just for us and we shouldn't record everything and we don't need everything on social media and a photograph of everything we see, and there are things to record with your heart. I remember my my dad said once we walked in the forest I must have been maybe nine and and my sister was also nine, and our brothers would have been then seven and five and we looked back the road in the forest and we saw the brothers and they had stopped to look at something, those little beautiful kids in the spring in sweden. And my dad said I wish I had a photograph, a camera, with me. That's back when a camera was a camera. And then he said but I don't. So now we have to stop and we have to take a picture with our hearts. This is more than 40 years ago and I can still vividly see my brothers in that forest.

16:58
It's beautiful and I think with what we have now with the smartphone, we forget to do that yeah and I've taught my children to stop and take a picture with their hearts, because they have a smartphone in their pocket, and I think the presence is really important. But then the other side is we have this amazing format of the internet, which is a game changer. That was not there when I was little and not there when I was young, and it's there now and we have this long format podcast where we get to actually say and explore what we mean and think and feel and understand and don't understand, which is great, and and that's why we have these conversations with each other and and they inspire other people and we I mean we even I started one more podcast over the years that we've like last year. Because of that, because of the conversations we're like, the people need to hear this.

18:03 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
So, yeah, yeah so now we have two podcasts is that one also just show up and shine.

18:11 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I'm hosting it the other one. The other one is more mine, so jesper is doing all the tech.

18:16
Thank you, I love just, but I have to do the planning and yeah, it's called the ladies fixing the world and I wanted to talk about it because you said something about perfection being projected on children and I find that very interesting. So the ladies fixing the world is mostly about children and young people and unschooling and how to to do the parenting and how to when you do the parenting in an alternative way, how many layers that actually affects. So when we say fixing the world, we're not just making a better childhood for our children, we might actually be fixing the world.

18:55 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
So that's why it's called the ladies fixing the world that's epic because the the science is in there, right, like it's seven. They say it's seven generations down and when you actually heal, like this is where the mystics come in. They say it's seven generations back up the tree as well. They say, actually, when you heal something for you, you're actually impacting seven generations on from you. Think about, like, what mothers are doing. Yeah, even just watching the way my because, like I said, we've got a three-year-old and a 10-month-old now and just the way we're showing up is so different to how our parents showed up touchwood, which, you know, maybe my parents felt the same way about how their parents showed up, I don't know. Um, but yeah, you, just you like it reminds me that it's, this is this is the work, because those are the people that are going to inherit the earth ultimately. You know, and it's pretty magical, pretty magical place Like when you think about it.

19:47
I was nerding out the other day on a podcast. Just like the fact that we have an atmosphere like, the more you start to think, like, like. Do you know what I mean? Like there's so many other planets that have their own atmosphere, but we have one that we can actually like give back to and then like interact and then, yes, the internet exists and it puts like what is actually like, the more you pause to just go atmosphere, oh my god, like this enabler, like you know, like, this whole it does anyway.

20:17
Uh, yeah, I promise I wasn't high. This is just what I'm.

20:21 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
It's like I just was just tripping out so, but I actually have a question, as you are our guest today. Uh, it will start with gratitude, um, because, uh, the way your podcast started is something I still want to do. You started in your living room hosting these kind of talk saloon evenings, whatever we should call them and I've been. It has been growing in me for some time. We have done some things where we have arranged some talks, where we come and talk about world schooling, world traveling and the way we live our life very differently. But I miss the saloon feeling, because what I liked most about that evening we did it was actually seeing all the other people interact in the break and afterwards being able to create a room for connection, for real connection, and I was like man, I need to do those saloons that I'm going to start it out with at some point we kind of need to stay in one place yeah yeah, yeah there's no reason that you guys couldn't.

21:36 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Um, look at me, the coach kicks in and tries to find solutions to problems. It those mandala moments evenings were tremendously fun and absolutely agree. If it wasn't for Mandala moments, the podcast wouldn't exist. For those that are tuning in that, a little bit of context around Mandala moments, just a refresher in terms of where it came from, was I, was my wife and I, you know we had this. My wife was a dentist and she had this existential kind of like there's going to be more to my life than just going to work every morning, waking up lugging holes in people's teeth and coming back home all tired and exhausted, like you know. Yes, I get remunerated like relatively well, everybody knows that about dentists but at the same time it's like what am I actually doing with my existence, you know? So this, um, she had this moment and then she went traveling for like 10 to 11 months to just go find herself and on the beginning of that journey, like I was sitting in my living room I was watching a Tony Robbins video, I got really inspired. I turned to share the inspiration in the moment of breakthrough with her and she wasn't there and as, and I was like, oh, I had this, just this really weird download which was just like, oh, other people must feel like this. And so I decided, every two weeks I'd invite people over, we'd watch something or we'd share something or we discuss something, we might meditate together. I'd make chai chats in community, and those were just because I thought alliteration was cool. I knew I was the average of the five people I spend my time with. I really liked the word mandala, um, you know, there was just a few things that just coalesced into this one you know offering, and I was like, yep, mandala moments and every two weeks. And again, consistency like the same thing podcast every week, mandala moments every two weeks, so every two weeks. I'd opened up my home and, um, yeah, just that hopefully provides a little bit of context on what mandala moments was.

23:18
The interesting thing is, yeah, definitely human connection, like in person. It there's just, there is something else about it. I have to admit, though, like I don't think it's an and or, because I think people tuning in will be like this and or. Now what I've found is back to you know, the world, to me conversation to some degree, like because, like, I haven't really been in the same place as you two, but my life is so much richer for having connected to you too, you know, and that then informs my interactions with people in my physical 3d reality as well. But I've got to be conscious that I've got to cultivate that and cultivate this, you know, and not just become too lopsided on one side, because, like we said, it keeps things interesting. It keeps things like you know.

24:01
It's like, oh, you know, like I know, jess perences hill traveling around the world raising their kids. I can't even imagine, and you know what I was listening to them on a podcast and they get to go to, like, all these interesting places all over europe when there's no one around. You know, like everybody's going during the tourist season. These guys are actually enjoying the sites. They've got them to themselves, you know, and that's just that stayed with me, you know, it's just like you know, and like that left a great impression in my heart. And so, you know, these, these conversations, they, they definitely, but the in-person also is impacted. But I like to see them both as like, synergistically, almost like two strands of a DNA, you know, um, for you guys, like I think you guys have a bit of a following inherently already before the podcast. But there's an opportunity to sort of say hey, next month we're going to be in such and such. You know who would like to connect and go out, and you know you can just start with a dinner.

24:52
We know where we are next month but you don't have to do it, you don't feel every month, so you know, maybe just a couple of times a year. Yeah, a couple of times a year, you might just be like oh, but you're so right, of course you know, that is our key list.

25:07 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
That is really our problem to commit to plans, because we are now.

25:12 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We have a good plan for the next couple of months actually, yeah, yeah, no, we do no, but let me get to the question, as it was a long turn.

25:22
It was a long turnaround, so one of the things I've started to enjoy about the podcast is to get the chance to explore a subject and and stays. I'm walking around thinking about freedom, uh, in so, and and for me it's um, I think it's a process I'm in to remind myself of the life we have created. Now. I haven't been in work in an office for six and a half years and we're still succeeding. We have had economics ups and some very downs, and we are up and and life is really, really good.

26:02
And I'm like how do you I'm work with the concept of freedom and how do you work with gratefulness in your life? Because sometimes I forget it, sometimes I just like I've created this life and I can be like, oh man, I don't need to do this and this. And today the sun was shining and I was like, hey, maybe I should just go out, meet my wife and kids and be looking at this awesome castle in krakow, poland, where we is now, and it was such a nice sunshine and life was good. And I was like, yeah, and there was some beautiful art, but that's a long story short. That was kind of the question yeah, yeah so gratitude.

26:44 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I think um is something that takes cultivation.

26:48
I like gratitude is an element of one of the seminars that I one of the series of seminars that we teach. So, yeah, I've got meditations on on gratitude, on insight timer as well, which short 10 minute meditations, but you cover as much ground on on um, on gratitude, possible, and we generally start with three things in life that you are grateful for. And then you know three things about your work that you're grateful for, because so many people like have work but they'd like don't like their work, but it's like actually there are some things and we coach you through the meditation to sort of say, like, what are the bits that it enables for you? You know. And then three things about yourself which are really important as well, because that cultivates self-love. And then three things about like three people that you'd be grateful for as a bonus, just to sort of remind you that human connections isn't like all the good bits about life. So that's like in a quick 10 minute meditation available on Insight Timer and on my YouTube channel. But yeah, insight Timer.

27:36
Now, the key thing in there is I generally just start every morning with gratitude and I've just made it a habit. So I wake up and I just go through that really quickly, right, like I just do it for myself, because I've just noticed that I don't know intuitively or spiritually or have you want to look at it it just feels like so many people go to sleep and maybe I heard this somewhere along the way Some people go to sleep but don't wake up in the morning, like that actually is so many people's reality and you're up to experience another day, like you're actually up to experience another day and you can totally wake up with like, oh my aches, oh this, and that you know it's like it's the morning and you know the reality is you got another shot. You got another shot today, you know. So for me, yes, trying to infuse gratitude in the little moments, but I noticed, like I've actually worked with a lot of people as a coach now, like over 360 clients one-to-one, and I've noticed it's actually for those of us that are connected to gratitude, when you meet someone that's not connected to gratitude, it's quite harrowing. It's like, whoa, that can be your reality and that's not to sound judgmental, but it's like, hey, can you tell me one thing you're grateful for? And then someone just sits there for 15 minutes in silence and you're like, oh goodness, you know, so I've, you know, it can be quite intimidating. So that's where I feel like cultivating a practice is a good place to start. Just try, you know. And then that's why, like, for me it's just a morning thing, you know, before I even meditate, I've given my thanks, touch wood, you know. So, gratitude, and also, just while we're talking about gratitude, just so I can be a coach for a quick moment For those that are tuning in, it's like oh yeah, it's good to do, but let me just egg you on a little bit, right, because gratitude actually is the best way to pray. Yeah, so if you're grateful, I will just I share this as an example, right? So let's just okay, jasper, you're going to the shops and you know, before you leave, you're like you go to the shops, you come back and I'm at home and I'm working away. Let's just run with this example. And you come back and I'm at home and I'm working away, let's just run with this example. And you come home and you bring me a chocolate bar and I'm like, oh, he left the chocolate bar on the table. And I'm like, oh, yeah, and I continue working. You did that something nice. I didn't express my gratitude. Maybe I'm an asshole, but maybe not, you know, just I was busy working.

29:57
Next time you're off in the shops, you go, you get, you bring back another chocolate bar. Amrit's always busy working, maybe he needs a bit of energy. I'll bring back a chocolate bar. Bring back a chocolate bar. You leave it on my desk and I look at you and I'm like, yeah, cool, no worries. Next time you're in the shops you're going to be like, oh, amrit's working but never really seems to enjoy those chocolate. You're doubting now. And so now you're like, yeah, ah, fuck it, you know, maybe he doesn't want it. And then you come home and meanwhile I'm working. Now look at you, come in, I'm all excited. Oh, no, chocolate bar, fuck, right, okay, now let's. That's scenario one.

30:35
Scenario two you go to the shops. You come back, I'm working away. You walk in with a chocolate bar, you put on my desk. I'm like, huh for me. And you're like yeah, I'm like thank you so much. Like that is such a gift, thank you so much. Like I was hungry and I've been punching away so much work and, dude, that's the best. Love you, man. Thank you so much. Next time you're off to the shops you're like boom. I remember that time I got emmer at the chocolate bar. Yeah.

30:59 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Yeah.

30:59 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Like let's, let's pick another one up. You pick another one up, you bring it in. It's like Jasper, thank you so much Again. This is turning into a ritual. I'm so grateful. I really appreciate the fact that you're thinking of me. That is so sweet. I really appreciate you. Next time you're in the shops, are you umming and ahhing? Are you thinking about whether you should get me a chocolate bar or not? It's like fuck. No, you're like man. It makes Amarant's day. It cost me $2 in chocolate bar to make my friend's day. Of course I'm going to get him a chocolate bar. You don't even think about it. Now, the third time boom for Amarant's experience. More chocolate bars are arriving Simply through gratitude, and the universe works.

31:36
I know this is super metaphysical, but the universe works exactly the same way. What you're grateful for, you get more of. And then when you get into like I know this is getting super woo, but like law of manifestation, law of abundance. It's like, instead of saying because one of the things I hear now as a coach from people like, oh, I want this or I want that, I want this or I want that, I want this house or I want this car All I hear is. I lack this car, I lack this house, I lack this. You'll want. The universe is giving you that back. I want this. You're going to be left wanting because you're putting out the frequency of want, want, want, want, want, yeah, as opposed to hey. I'm grateful for the life that I've got, I'm grateful for this that I've got, I'm grateful, touch wood. If you're experiencing gratitude, you're filling up your cup in a very different frequency and that's where master manifestors, if you will say hey, give thanks for it as if it's already happened and work with your disbelief around it. But you don't have to go like super grandiose, like yes, I live in this place where this happens and that happens. No, it's just like hey, grateful for the small things, like I'm grateful for the house that I'm in, I'm grateful for the location that I'm in, I'm grateful for the family that I've got, you know. And then that starts to expand and grow because you're shedding more love, more gratitude, more, more chocolate bars start to arrive in that space. So that's the little spiel. Sorry, pardon me on gratitude. I just can't walk past it with like but yeah, so I cultivate it by, by, just daily cultivation.

32:56
The freedom piece is really interesting to talk about, because I think I'm a bit obnoxious when it comes to freedom. I probably don't. Freedom is a very masculine force in my humble opinion. Yeah, and because that's for me like the feminine force in life is love and the masculine force is freedom. Yeah, and you can kind of see it getting played out Like love in its shadow can be clingy and freedom in its shadow can be fleety, you know, and so you sort of see it like, you know, in the age old, like maybe even 50 years ago, you know, like before the age of the internet, you know the guy used to the wife would be waiting for him with a home cook meal when you know he went to go get a pack of smokes and didn't even come back. You know that's the shadow of like love and freedom, you know.

33:46
So, in that to say, for me I'm quite aware, touchwood, that actually I'm a man, but I operate from a place of love more than I do freedom, so I may not be most qualified to speak on freedom, and I preface that to say for me freedom is service, which is really interesting, because service, when you think about service, it sounds like slave bonditude, it sounds like you're bonded to something. How can you be free? So? But my experience has been, and if you follow along with me, it is quite theoretical for a sec, but then that's just my operating system, touch wood which is we are all governed by the laws of physics. We are all governed by the universe to some degree, yeah, or to every degree. We are the universe looking in on itself, so we're part of this animate reality. Some people call it consciousness, some people call it life, some people call it consciousness, some people call it life, some people call it maya. It's an illusion. Whatever you want to look at it as it's life.

34:45
Yeah, now, one of my favorite philosophers was spinoza. It's like he goes I can move my thumb as of my free will, as long as it's connected to my hand. I can't sort of say, hey, thumb, go, touch the screen and come back while I keep my hand here. Yeah, and so the thumb is free, but it's in service to the hand, right? So, like it's in service to the laws of nature, it's in service to life at large. In terms of, this is what thumbs do, and you're free to use this thumb as you will. Freedom in service to the grand design of everything else, as you will, freedom in service to the grand design of everything else, yeah, and so that's where service comes in.

35:30
So, for me, and that's where a big part of my coaching lives and you know like I'm so thrilled you guys have, you know, reached a hundred episodes, because I think so many of us are living a life where we're in service to other people's dreams, other people's wants, other people's desires, other people's programs. Gosh, I'm preaching to the choir here. Do you know what I mean? Like you guys, unschooling, right, like you know, so many people are following the conditioned format, yeah, and yet here it's like, okay, what, like, what is the? What is the universe? What does life really want for me to do and create? And it's really. It just comes back to three very simple things, right. Firstly, acceptance. Secondly, joy. Thirdly, enthusiasm and we can talk more about these if you need to. But acceptance, joy and enthusiasm, the things that you're joyous about. You can't fake the things you're enthusiastic about. You can't fake Things that you accept and only you can accept is like your healing, that's yours.

36:19 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Yeah.

36:19 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
So those three things are where you're most aligned to the thing that you're put here to do. So when you're going to a nine to five, that you absolutely there's no joy. There's not. You're not enthusiastic about it. That's not you living in service to your soul, living to your higher self, like living in to the reason that you were put here on the earth. It's you're not following your calling. That's why it feels uncomfortable. It's like the cat, existentially, is being rubbed the wrong way. Yeah, and you can feel it right, that's a, that's a visceral feeling that you have. And so the freedom comes into.

36:50
Okay, how do I come best into service? To live into my greatest potential, to live into the greatness within me, to live into now. These sound like grandiose topics, but you're the divine, folded in on itself, looking in on itself. There's no limit to your divinity, there's no limit to your grandness, like. This is such a trip, what life really is. I'm back to that place where I sound like I've eaten mushrooms and I'm looking at the atmosphere. So for me, freedom is coupled with service. Yeah, they're actually the same, um, but that's also my operating system, like for someone that is more love oriented than freedom oriented. Yeah, I look at like life in its fullest expression is to just love life fully, is to serve life fully, and that's where service is the greatest freedom for me, because if you try to, if you try to circumnavigate around service and honoring that love for life in any way, you're bypassing or you're not living your own truth, you're living someone else's truth and now you've been hijacked off your freedom, you've hijacked off your center.

37:55 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
So it's weird, but like free to be as completely you as you can be is living in service to the grand design of why you were put here but there's yes, and there's also this when you talked about the masculine freedom, I remember meeting that concept of freedom when I was 23 years old, and, and pregnant and single, and just in that. You know, I was a university student and now I was having a child on my own, and I remember people talking around me. I had most male friends, I yeah, that was how it was. So I was surrounded by a lot of young men and, and they all had that idea oh, you're losing all your freedom now, and, and I heard that so many times while I was expecting my first child, and and and then I came home with her and I thought you know, you're all missing out.

39:01 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I'm not missing out?

39:02 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
You're missing out, I'm not missing out, you're missing out. You're not free to experience this, the meaning of life, the greatest love you'll ever feel, the most important job you'll ever have. You don't have that and you don't even have the option to explore that, because you don't. So freedom, this boyish, masculine freedom of you know, not attached, no obligations, I can do whatever I want, but you can only do whatever you want on step one of life you haven't walked through that door?

39:37
yeah, but when you walk, through that door of commitment to your you. Well, I just randomly got pregnant. That happens to a lot of women and it happened to me but I knew I'm keeping this child, I want this child and I just knew I didn't have to think about it. And that put me through one door, like in my life, to kind of a step two, where there were 10 000 doors and they were golden, they had flowers, and it completely changed things. And I just think that if you stay you know, I just claim my freedom over here in my corner you stay disconnected. You call it fleeting and maybe my fluency in your language is not for I. It doesn't, really, I don't.

40:25 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Maybe I don't know it's like yeah, so yeah, fleeting means to is it? Unattached. No, it's somewhat unattached, it's too. It's. Oh, fleeting is too oh, he translated it.

40:38 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I understand it now.

40:39 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Oh perfect, yeah yeah yeah, yes, well, even in um even like, because you know because, my wife and I, we're contemplating another kid yeah, we're trying to go do

40:50 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
it. We've got four. Yeah, I know, and at the same time we're looking at.

40:56 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
We're looking at like the you know, life structure, the ambitions we have for our kids, and you know the things and obviously know we should probably talk more about that in a podcast or now podcast, but there's, you know, there's like there's so much in there that it takes in today's society to raise a kid the way that you know, you think you want to. That is like it does seem quite. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, I don't feel free, you know, and it's like, actually my freedom is to commit more to another child. So, you know, back to your point, which is like, yeah, all these people were like, oh, yeah, like you're losing your freedom. And it's like, actually, now that I've experienced child, like I want to be free to be a father again. You know, like, but actually it's quite like there are constraints and those aren't real constraints, and you know's like, oh, this is all in the mind, this is all in the mind, you know it's.

41:45 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
It's really interesting, it's well, I think you said it. Maybe we should do an entire podcast on unschooling, where you know we flip it and we end it's, it's a lot so going.

42:14 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
So all the episodes you have recorded since we met last, which is around, yeah, small two years, um, is there something that stands out? And some of the what have you picked up? Um, because that's one of the things I find most interesting is, you know, these things that linger sometimes where you're like, yeah, I'm concerned, and, of course, with all those episodes, it maybe can be difficult to to choose well, yes, so there's.

42:45 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
There's one thing that definitely stands out and I somehow just keep circling back to this one. Someone asked me this question. I did a podcast with marianne williamson when she was running for her presidential election campaign and she talked about power and love. And it was really interesting because we're talking about feminine, masculine a little bit in this conversation now and she talked she basically was quoting somebody, but for somehow it viscerally landed two things. One of the things she said was power without love is corrupt and we all know that. But love without power is also anemic and we we need to wake up to that, especially people like yourself, myself. You know that, like you know, believe in a path that's more loving, more open, more heart-centered. You know, taking photographs with our heart. Like you know, we're inclined a certain way, but then it's like, yeah, there's also going to be some form of like, showing up to do a podcast regularly. That's power. Yeah, you know that's power. It's gentle, but it's strong. It's weird. Huh, what's possible? So that was really profound to understand, because I think so many of us are inclined to show up loving, but then we're forgetting that actually there's a like. You need to show up with your power in love as well. So that was really affirming. Also, one of the other things she said in the podcast which was really helpful for me and it has stayed is oftentimes and maybe just because it's a frequency the inspired evolution. Inspired evolution is like hey, tomorrow brighter. When you unpack it a little bit, it's like inspired evolution, tomorrow brighter and. But as a coach, it's like presence is a big part of what I teach, and what Marianne said in that episode was hey, um, it's a practice of mine to make sure to, to, to trust sorry that the future is best looked after by me being as present as possible in the moment, here and now, today. And my favorite word in all of that is actually practice Cause it's like it's not just something that you've got or you don't got, it's like it's a skill, bro, you're going to work on that every day. It's like tomorrow, this and the world naturally has so much anxiety baked into it, especially 21st century internet, like the frequency is speeding up. There's like keeping up with things that, like you know, just taking the time to sort of go. Actually that's tomorrow, but that is best looked after by me being as here as possible, as now as possible as I possibly can be. And when you stop to think about it, I'm the engineer, right? So you stop to think about it. It's like, yeah, this is where I've actually got most of my resources, not over there. My resources are all here. Can I just collect myself around my resources in the present moment, in the moment, here and now? So that's been profound.

45:38
Another thing that's been coalescing recently is and this has been profound as a, because I've been a meditation teacher for a long time now and even just being able to distill the nuance between presence and presence, so in the present moment. So meditation brings you into the present moment. Yeah, like you become present, but that is often conflated early days meditating and those on the path with presence, like the presence of something larger, the presence and the connection, your connection to god, your connection to something divine. Now becoming present is a great start to connect in, but those are two different things, right, once you've built a connection to presence, that sort of celestial or however you want to call it I need better words, but still forming this then becoming present does help you connect in.

46:32
But don't forget, like it's not just about mindfulness and just becoming present in the moment. That's step one, but also living your life with a certain amount of grace and connection, touch wood to something that is deeper, spiritual, that matters to you. So that's been coalescing at the moment in terms of podcasting as well, and this is just because I want to sort of just share some insights with you guys as well. So for the first six and a half years the podcast was personal development you know we talked about wealth, financially independent, retiring early, unschooling topics, such as you know.

47:03
We talked about um, about all sorts of different things that can help you enrich in your life and live in different ways. Six and a half years in, we started producing six. Yeah, six and a half six years. Six years in, I took a moment to look at all the content that we'd produced and I did like this glance over and had a look and said, oh so what content has been performing better, right, and I saw people don't really dig the financial stuff coming from me. People kind of don't really dig relationship stuff coming from me, personal development type sort of stuff, um, they really enjoyed um, mindset type sort of stuff.

47:48
But then the spirituality stuff blew everything out of the water. It was like I could do 10 spirituality episodes a year and get the same viewership, listenership as and it's not about the viewership and listenership, but this was like the metrics and this is where analytics becomes really helpful and I was like, oh, I could just do 10 of those a year or do like 50 of all the others. So these episodes are like 10, x or five X of all the other episodes. Now in a, not from a place of greed, of kind of going, hey, I just want my podcast to grow really fast and do that, but at that point in in time I'd put in enough work and you guys getting there put in enough work to be able to look back at the stats of your podcast to feed you information on what is it that my audience really wants and if you are in service value, yeah, right, and that service and what value are they getting?

48:40
and then it's like, oh, okay, now you got to be careful you don't want to double click on something that's not authentically you. And this is where understanding your values is incredibly important. Minds are connection, contribution, celebration. I always talk about values. For those that want to discover their values, inspiredevolutioncom forward. Slash values, go find out yours. 20 minutes, masterclass, little plug, but seriously changes your life knowing your values.

49:10
But the key thing in there is now that I like, if you can just take the moment to get clear on like, this is what we're really really like, really really here to do. Like for me, other people are like getting this particular point of value from the podcast, right, and it's like, okay, do I really love spirituality? And it's like, yeah, I absolutely do. Do I love the other stuff? Yeah, I absolutely do.

49:26
How would I feel if I just did a spirituality podcast and I'm like I thought I had to do all the other stuff as well just to give the podcast enough credibility so that I could, every now and then, throw in some spirituality as well?

49:40
You're telling me I can just do spirituality and that's what the analytics were like saying they're like yeah, and actually you'd, you'd do better, and it's like fuck off. And I was like, oh, and I gave myself permission to double click, touch wood. And then when you start to look at the recent growth, how it's, you know, growing faster, that's because we understood. But also I don't think you can just wake up and just be like oh, yeah, like I'll look at the recent growth how it's, you know, growing faster, that's because we understood. But also I don't think you can just wake up and just be like oh, yeah, like I'll look at, like my analytics after 10 episodes, but the number of episodes you guys have done now 100 episodes you can look back and see which episodes perform best, see the common threads and see, ah, not from a place of greed, but from a place of yeah, interesting from a place of service to the audience.

50:23
this is what they really want to hear, this is what they're loving. How can I serve them better in this vein? And then go deeper, as long as it aligns to your values and you're clear that you know, because one of the things I'll just be clear like there's lots of channels at the moment in my similar space that spirituality, right, but at the moment and a part of spirituality is also like UFO and aliens which I don't know enough about. There's also like um channelers channeling, you know, entities, and now I don't know enough about that. I know that my content would perform pretty well if I double clicked on that, because other channels that are in my space they do really well with those episodes, but for me I don't know. Like how do I know who you're channeling, what their intentions are?

51:07
You know, I don't know, so I I don't do it you know, and that's where it's like you don't just follow your analytics blindly. You've still got to use your own discernment, you know. Do I know whether we've had contact or not? I don't know. Some people seem very convinced. One way or the other, I'm on the fence about it. So for me it's like I don't really need to have that conversation. You know there's plenty of other conversations to be had, so I just continue enjoying those. Would my podcast grow faster if I had some of these conversations? Yes, because I know my audience is interested in those topics. But at the same time, that's not Amrit.

51:41 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Does that make sense? Yeah, does that make sense, yeah, opportunity, yeah, yeah. I would like to share one sentence from an interview we did with a guy called jack stewart, a wonderful homeschooling dad, and it is still lingering with me and therefore I wanted to share it with you. He said the sentence me the internet became a social appetite In his present. Yeah, so what he meant was that the whole internet became he turned it off man, and he don't have internet at home. He don't have a smartphone. He have a normal phone at home. Sometimes he needs to work and do his stuff and have some internet time, but he found that he was lonely when the internet was turned off.

52:37
he ended up cool yeah, that's, oh, no, yeah, yeah. And so when he turned it off he felt, oh, I'm missing. And he actually went out to his neighbors and said something like hey, can you come out to play? Can we have a cup of coffee? So for him it inhibited his lust to be around people in real life and after that I've seen it in myself. I've installed a freedom app to get me off more stuff and trying to be more connected to other people, because I can fall in sitting in front of the computer, also because it's my work. So it's like a double-edged sword for me that at some time falls in yeah, that's profound.

53:20 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I love that. Thank you for sharing that because it is, and, like you, I operate my phone in black and white mode and I notice it makes a massive difference.

53:27 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
I know that oh, wow practical, but um I will try that can I share the opposite?

53:31 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
yeah because at the moment we're we're in kaka for months and we have the honor of bringing two extra teenagers, so two of our kids friends are with us and I've been discussing how the smartphone flows in their lives. And also we are in Krakow at the same time as a lot of the world schooling communities, so there are many teenagers who travel full time in town at the moment and so we're flowing with a bigger group and I observe and I discuss with the five that live with us how, how is, how, is it to be a teenage? They grew up with this in their hands. It's different them even then, from you and you're what?

54:17
12, 15 years younger than us, but they are you know, even younger, and after I've been observing them and talking with them, I see how the phone for my particular, plus the two I'm bringing teenagers it's a very good social token. They are not doing random stuff, they are. They are sharing photographs, they are looking up uh, poems and quotations they that they share with each other. It comes out, you know, look at this, I have seen or, and they text each other to stay in touch with people on the other side. So these are traveling kids. They all have friends all over the other to stay in touch with people on the other side.

55:05
So these are traveling kids. They all have friends all over the planet. They stay in touch with friends all over the planet via their smartphones. And after having good conversations with them over the first I don't know three weeks we've been living with these people for two and a half months I decided I need to spend more time on my smartphone. Actually, I could reach out to my friends, I could be present in my relations with people who are not in the same town as I am if I spend more time on my smartphone.

55:40 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
I kind of feel that this yeah, oh sorry, I'm interrupted no, I'm just trying, but that incident being so chill of going to unplug the entire internet because you're using it in a way that's not working for you.

55:55
Yeah, the other extreme is to not use it enough well, I think that's and that's I feel very Buddhist in this conversation, because they call it the middle path right in most of the things in life, and so I think that that rings. That rings true here as well. For someone like Jesper who's working away on the internet and then the distractions of being online, and then it's like you know, spent two hours online and it's like at the end of the day, it's like I've done my social media ring and I've done my working. I need human connection. Someone like yourself who was like was like meals, boom, boom, your hands are in the earth gardening, like doing all the things, doing all the things, doing all the things, and all of a sudden it's like, yeah, I've filled up my cup, like I'm super grounded, but I also haven't connected to other people, right? So I think there's there's definitely a balance between the two.

56:38
For me, the awareness, even eight years ago, was I could feel that social media was. Even eight years ago was I could feel that social media was. I believe in the power of it. It was definitely keeping me connected to my friends. But I also noticed and this is something that goes back to when I was working as a bartender, way back when, way back when this is like high school I remember I had this awareness that, like I, either when I was leaving the house, I was either spending money or making money. No, it's a bit grandiose, like, obviously, and sometimes you don't, but generally speaking, I was either going to spend my money or I was going to make something. That was what was going on for me at that age. And I remember going to work as a bartender and I was like this is brilliant because I see, like all my mates from the other side of the bar, I'm making money, they're spending their money, yeah, but I'm having a great time, like I'm actually having a great time serving beers, having chats, the chats I'm having, like I was loving it. It's still connection contribution celebration Right Now. What I'm hearing.

57:43
Like for me also, like eight years ago when I was setting up the podcast, I'd never really coupled those two things together, but I'm doing it in this conversation. It's interesting because I realized people are creating, like people are creating content and people are consuming content. And I realized when I was consuming content, I was very much like oh, this is interesting, oh, that's interesting, and I was like much more at the mercy and whim of other people and their thoughts, and that's like. I still have people that influence me today. They're like they don't know they're my mentors, but they're my mentors. I'm listening to them online, yeah, but at the same time, there was, like, this awareness of like, yeah, but also the possibility of creating content, like you guys are doing now, a hundred episodes in, like you know I've been doing for the last little while. You know there's a. You have even these conversations that we're having today. You know, like being able to understand the balance between consumption for people some people, that's not a conversation, it's just consume, consume, consume, consume, consume, consume and there's like an insatiable appetite around it. You know, yeah, I think it's.

58:46
I think consciously creating content is a bit of a hallowed ground to find some footing around the more treacherous nature and aspects of social media, because now that you're creating a podcast, you can see the value system which is like, hey, I get to connect some really interesting people. I can actually use this as a tool for good. Yeah, whereas for some people that don't have creatorship in their mind, they've just got consumership in their mind. They're just like I'm not good enough, I'm not as good as this person. This is really interesting, but I'm not good enough for that and it's like the subconscious fears they sort of run rampant, you know. You know, and that's where I think I feel honored and I was literally to be the first guest, to be a hundred episode guest, because you guys are creating something. You know, touch wood.

59:30
When I created the podcast I know this sounds like my I listened back to my first ever episode, which was just me talking about hey guys, I'm Amrit and I'm not sure like this exact conversation. I was like I'm not sure about creating more noise in the world around podcasting and, you know, more media. For you know, there's like all this treacherous side to it. But you know, I'm inspired by people like Bob Marley, like they recorded something, they shared it on and the echoes of that live through the ages for positivity and love. Now I don't want to sound grandiose like I'm not Bob Marley, but I'm inspired to evolve and I'm calling the podcast Inspired Evolution and so similar vein.

01:00:11
You know you guys here doing something positive, yeah, and like using the platforms to create, like a ripple impact, more information, more education, more awareness, more positivity, more thought, more wisdom. Yeah, and I think therein lies like a real opportunity for people to show up to actually create, to share more of what they want to see in the world. And that's been a driving force for me as well. And you know, watching you guys do what you're doing now and feeling that like something touched with that. Oh, is it? Slide by slide, guys do and look at you guys go. I was just like man, this is. I got all the vibes. Yeah, it's. It's a very interesting dynamic the online world, the physical world but I think ultimately, yeah, connection is a beautiful thing.

01:00:58 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Connection is a beautiful thing, it comes down to the value system. As you say, the most important thing you can do is know your values and if, if you know why you do the things you do you'll say and the smartphone here.

01:01:10
It's, it's just a tool. It's, it's just a. You know, like you can use a hammer for a lot of different things and a knife for a lot of different things. You might make a meal or you might cut your finger. It it's, it's. It's not the knife. That's the problem is why are you using it and what are you using it for? And I think the radical we spoke to two different people on the podcast who did the radical cutting off the internet completely and and it it put us in a space where we, we, we thought about it a lot and discussed it with the teenagers. I would never take it away from my kids, but it's just what.

01:01:48
What role does this play in your life? And, as you said, the middle, the middle way. But the middle way is an informed middle way. It's not in between two things. It's why am I using my smartphone the way I am? Why am I using my sleep the way I am? Why am I eating in the way I do? How am I exercising? What is my education? Why am I doing it this way, not that way? All of these question everything conversations. They just have to keep rolling. You can never stop it. It's like working out your abs. You just have to keep doing it. There's no.

01:02:25 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
I've done that yeah, yeah, one of my yoga teachers from back in the day always said do your practice and all will come, and I I keep that in mind and, as cecilia said, it is the in informed middle way. In informed middle way, amrit. One of the other things we learned about podcasting for us is that we decided to try to keep our episodes to around one hour because it's the only way we can fit it into our crazy life. And where you are now, it is early morning. What time is it? 8 am.

01:03:03 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Yeah, and thank you for going up early and being with us. It is early morning.

01:03:05 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
What time is it? 8 am, yeah, and thank you for going up early and being with us. For us, it just turned 10 pm.

01:03:12 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I haven't cooked dinner yet Because we have been out exploring.

01:03:18 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Thank you guys so much for fitting me in.

01:03:21 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
It's another way of saying Amrit super much, thank you. I hope we can see you again for at least episode 200. That would be great fun, if you're up for?

01:03:31 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
oh my god, I'd be more than up for it. It would be such a blessing yeah, yeah, maybe 150, yeah, yeah whatever feels right for you.

01:03:39
I'm always honored to be on your podcast, guys. I am so guys, yeah, just seriously, wholehearted congratulations. It's a total labor of love. Um, I'm glad still you get to show up and shine just for great work on working on the back end and hashtag making it work, and I'm glad the curiosity is enriching you guys's life. And, yeah, I couldn't think of, yeah, two better people to have a podcast. To be honest, there's so much important stuff that you guys are like. You mentioned lightly, cecile, on the layers. There are so many layers that you guys are working through and I know the courage that that takes. There's a total spiritual warriorship in there that is called upon. And, yeah, just, I feel so honored to have been part of your journey, to continue to be part of the journey.

01:04:23
Yeah, it's such a blessing thank you guys so much for having me an absolute pleasure.

01:04:29 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
It was a big pleasure.

01:04:30 - Amrit Sandhu (Guest)
Thank you for your time all the best in the next 100 or 50 or however, before you get me on, but all the best in the next set of episodes thanks a lot for being there.

01:04:38 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Bye.

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